GalwayBees · Galway, IE · Beginners · Oct 23, 2026
Dead-out in October with honey still in the box and heads down in the cells — starved ten centimetres from food?
Galway, second year. Lost one of my three. I went out on Wednesday, saw no activity at one entrance on a mild day when the other two were flying, and opened it up.
What I found. A cluster about the size of a grapefruit on two frames in the middle of the top box, all dead, and a large number of bees head-first down in empty cells with their abdomens sticking out. Two frames over on the same box, sealed honey — maybe three or four kilos. No smell except wax and honey. No mould, no chewed comb, no mouse.
From reading here I think this is textbook starvation: heads in cells is what bees do looking for the last drops, and the honey being present but not touching the cluster is the classic isolation problem. But it's the 21st of October. We've had nothing colder than about 3°C and they've had flying days most weeks.
So what am I missing? Could a small colony starve in October with food two frames away in a mild climate, or should I be looking for another explanation — a failing queen leaving them too few bees, or mites? I'd rather learn the right lesson than the comfortable one.
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CorkBeeRon · Oct 23, 2026 · ✅ Accepted answer
Cork, and I'm sorry. The heads-in-cells picture is starvation, yes, but the real diagnosis is why a colony that size existed on the 21st of October. A grapefruit-sized cluster is far too small, and in a mild autumn with food in the box, the usual story is mites and virus through August and September: the colony shrank, couldn't cover or reach anything, and the last handful starved in place. Starvation is the symptom.
ImkerinLena · Oct 23, 2026
Agreed. Two things to check on the combs you still have: look for varroa faeces, white crystalline specks on the upper cell walls, and for a lot of scattered empty brood cells with perforated cappings. Both point to a heavy mite load earlier. Also look at any dead bees with a lens for deformed wings. GalwayBees, do you know what the mite count was in August?
GalwayBees · Oct 23, 2026
ImkerinLena — honestly, no. I treated in September because everyone said to, but I never did a wash on that hive, I just assumed. The other two I counted and they were low. I've looked at the combs now and there ARE white specks on the cell walls in the old brood area.
MayaBees · Oct 23, 2026
That's your answer then, and it's the lesson worth having: treat on a number, not on a calendar. Keep those frames of honey in the freezer for your other two, store the boxes dry and closed, and write the whole thing up. Everyone loses a colony to this once. Not everyone works out why.
PerthshireBees · Oct 24, 2026
One practical note — if you ever see sunken, discoloured cappings with a foul smell rather than what you describe, stop and call your inspector before moving anything. Your description doesn't sound like that at all, but it's the one dead-out where the comb must not be reused.