BethsBees · Ontario, CA · Beginners · Oct 17, 2026
What does "strong enough to winter" actually look like — is there a frame count of bees I should be seeing?
Ontario, second year, three colonies. Everyone tells me the most important factor in winter survival is going in strong, and nobody will tell me what strong means in a way I can check. My three colonies are clearly different sizes, but I have no idea whether I'm looking at two good ones and a marginal one or three fine ones and me worrying.
What I can measure without a real inspection. Number of frames with bees visible between them when I crack the lid on a cool morning — hive A has bees in eight gaps, hive B in six, hive C in four. Weight by hefting — A and B are heavy, C is middling. Bees at the entrance on a mild afternoon — A lots, B plenty, C noticeably fewer.
Is a four-gap colony in October viable in southern Ontario, or is that the one I should be uniting to hive B this week while it's still 12°C? And is the frame count even the right measure — I've read that the quality of the bees matters more than the number, meaning young well-fed winter bees rather than worn-out summer ones, which I have no way of assessing at all.
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QuebecBees · Oct 17, 2026 · ✅ Accepted answer
Quebec, colder than you. My rule for here: a colony that covers six or more frames in October, is at target weight, and has a laying queen is a good bet. Five is a coin flip. Four, at our latitude, I unite — and I'd unite yours this week, because 12°C in mid-October is a gift you won't get twice. Southern Ontario is milder than here, so four is less hopeless for you, but it's still the hive that will worry you all winter.
ImkerinLena · Oct 17, 2026
Bavaria. You're right that bee quality matters and right that you can't directly measure it. What you CAN do is judge it indirectly: a colony that was mite-managed early enough, fed to weight before it got cold, and reared brood into September has good winter bees. One that was treated late or stayed hungry probably doesn't, whatever the frame count says.
VTBeeHannah · Oct 17, 2026
Vermont. Also: don't count gaps on a warm afternoon when they're spread out, count on a cool morning when they're together. I fooled myself into thinking a colony was bigger than it was that way last year. BethsBees, what does hive C's brood pattern look like — if she's laying poorly, that's a second reason to unite rather than nurse it.
BethsBees · Oct 18, 2026
Her pattern was patchy in September, which I'd written off as the season. Combined C into B yesterday over newspaper with C's queen removed. Two solid colonies beats two good and one anxious.