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Queenless in late October in North Carolina — supplier says she can ship a queen, my mentor says combine

North Carolina, third year, six hives — five fine and one that I now realise has been queenless for a while. No eggs, no young larvae, a scattering of drone-sized cells in worker comb that I think is a laying worker starting up, and the bees are noticeably tetchy. Population is maybe five frames and dropping. Two credible people have given me opposite advice. A southern queen producer I've bought from before says she has mated queens available and that at our temperatures a colony can accept and build on a new queen well into November. My mentor says a five-frame colony with laying workers in late October is a combine, full stop, and that I'd be spending $45 to watch a queen get balled. Things I think matter. If laying workers are established, introduction gets much harder, and the usual fix is a frame of open brood to suppress them — but at this time of year taking brood from a healthy colony to prop up a failing one feels like robbing Peter. And even if she's accepted, the colony has to rear a round of brood before the weather turns, with mites still around.
#queenless#laying-workers#uniting#north-carolina
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GeorgiaWes · Oct 23, 2026 · ✅ Accepted answer
Georgia, and I'm with your mentor. The queen producer isn't wrong that a colony CAN accept a queen in November here — but that's a different question from whether this colony should. Five frames, dropping, laying workers starting, and tetchy: combine it into a strong hive over newspaper and get two good colonies out of six instead of five good and one project. Save your $45 for a spring queen from the same lady.
TexasBeeSam · Oct 24, 2026
Texas. Same answer. The laying-worker detail is what settles it for me — suppressing them costs you a frame of brood and a fortnight, and you don't have a fortnight. SourwoodGrace, check for actual multiple eggs per cell on the wall of the cell rather than the bottom before you're sure, though. Sometimes a poorly mated queen looks similar and that's a different problem.
AbejaMiguel · Oct 24, 2026
Jalisco. Agreed. And if you combine, don't just stack it — shake or brush the bees over rather than moving their combs full of drone brood into a good colony. Let the good colony clean up on its own terms.
SourwoodGrace · Oct 24, 2026
Looked again with a torch and it's multiple eggs on the cell walls, so laying workers confirmed. Combining Saturday over newspaper. Thanks all — that was the answer I expected and needed to hear from someone other than my mentor.
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