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Laying workers in mid-September in Quebec — shake them out on the grass, newspaper combine, or just write it off?

Five years, nine hives in Quebec. One colony superseded in August and must have lost the virgin, because this week I found it: several eggs per cell, eggs stuck on the cell walls, scattered domed cappings, no queen anywhere, maybe four frames of bees and getting aggressive. Far too late for a queen here. I know the three schools of thought. Shake them out 50 m away on the grass "because laying workers can't fly back". Newspaper-combine onto a strong queenright colony and accept the risk that they kill the good queen. Or shake the bees out, store the comb, and call it a loss. In summer I've always combined and it's gone fine. But it's mid-September, frost is three weeks away, and I'd rather not gamble a good queen on four frames of old bees. What do you actually do at this time of year?
#laying-workers#queenless#fall-management#shake-out
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muglabalci · Sep 19, 2026
I shake them out, but in front of the other hives, not 50 metres away. The idea that laying workers cannot fly is folklore — they fly fine. The point of shaking is different: the bees beg their way into the queenright colonies, where queen pheromone and open brood switch the laying workers off within days. Four frames of aggressive old bees are not worth risking a good queen for. Take the box away the same day so they have nowhere to go back to, and freeze the combs with drone brood in them.
AbejasCarla · Sep 19, 2026
I have newspaper-combined laying-worker colonies maybe ten times over the years in Andalusia and lost the queen twice, so about eight in ten works — and it works better the smaller the laying-worker lot is compared to the host and the more open brood the host has. In September with four frames I would not bother with the paper; do what muglabalci says and shake. Same result, no risk.
GeorgiaWes · Sep 20, 2026
"Write it off" isn't really a third option — the bees are still useful, they just need a queen that isn't them. Shake them at midday a few metres in front of the row, take the box and stand away, and by dark they're inside your other hives making your strong colonies stronger. Freeze the comb 48 hours and store it; you'll want that drawn comb in May. The aggression ends the moment they're under a queen.
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